| Back. logic340 said: Wellll, most are pretty neutral as I've said before. CP and Coro both fall into the category of players that I'd rather not trust this early because while they're both being productive, I know they're good enough to pull off a pro-town act early on. Rosie and Ruu seem to be reading the thread and struggling on things to say, though Ruu's recent points on AbuHumaid pinged me as out-of-nowhere. I'll get back to you on Ruu, actually, since I'd like to hear her response before I draw any conclusions from that. You're probably the only one out of this group that I've got a decent townread on (What else is new? lol)@Gruffin - You have cases against some of the newer players but how do you feel about the veteran players (rosie, me, CP, ruu, and coromandel)? I'd like to put this out there, btw. I'm not picking favorites this game nor am I trying to draw a line in the sand between the vets and newbs--That would be against the spirit of the game and unfair to everyone involved. Experience does not factor into who I decide to push. |
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logic340 said: Hum. I'll keep that in mind.Without a vote and with such low activity coming his way from other players it's hard to tell. I am pretty neutral I'd feel better if they voted their conviction but I do understand new player hesitation. It just sucks because it's hard to read if it's scare scum or uneasy town. I guess I would lean scum but he's more active than others and I want to give him a chance plus a little more info wont hurt. It could be but this is only the second time I have ever seen something like this. I guess we will see if it was faked or not. What is your read on Purity right now? I don't like his D1 case on liz but I cannot say it's scum motivated. He's threatened a vote on me but didn't pull the trigger either. He could potentially a PR but he's competent enough as scum to use that question to role fish. I could see potential flags but I'm just not sure Purity is so blatant as scum? Purity's bumped up to neutral right now. Nothing too townie and nothing too scummy. Like my reasoning to vote him D1 was because the setup talk could have benefited him as scum...But he's followed up on it and there's the possibility that he did that to spur the thread into a state where he could more easily form reads. Being careful with his vote seems pretty standard, which doesn't help me because that means it's NAI. And I'm unsure of his scum meta, so I couldn't tell you one way or the other whether I think he would wine with us like that as scum. Claiming setups that all have the same scum role seems pretty gutsy, but honestly it's so on-the-nose that it doesn't incriminate or clear him in my eyes. |
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liz said: Oof. I'm going to admit that I'm tin-foiling a world where you and Coro are scum buddies because of this because 1) Why would you have gone that far into the threads to find that particular game when there's plenty above it and 2) Coro was in this game. I was just scrolling thru the MS club page lol. That game in particular caught my eye bc it had newer players though (similar to this game rn). It's pretty gross reasoning on my part though. I'll stop since maybe you did do what you say and I'm just making myself paranoid over nothing. |
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liz said: Oh yep. It's called gambiting.Nope. That didnt occur to me tbh, but I don't see why townie would want to pretend to be another role? I personally don't recommend it since if you get caught lying you're probably going to get mislynched, but some players like to do it to get reactions. |
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| Quick one cos I just woke up and am on mobile. I like Liz's response to my case, if anything, it shows that she was just as confused as any of us and is scared to push further without evidence, also said she wasn't the confrontational type. What I don't like is that she's still sitting neutral on alot of her reads. If anything, I would at least ask her to scumread me and see if my posts make sense as scum, I know she's scared of being wrong but we all make mistakes, even if you mislynch me, people like logic (if he's not scum), or rosie will not lynch you over that, they'll analyse things properly and lynch appropriately. You really shouldn't be scared to scumread ppl more. I'm semi-tunneled on a mwiep/logic scum team right now because their EoD was sooo... Ya know, weird. Mwiep agreeing to not no-lynching and decided to lynch bmoore. >Rosie broke the tie, causing logic to lead >Logic self preservation votes >Mwiep quickly swung the train the other way and sheeped logic... Looks scummy to me. I know we shouldn't do pre-flip association but I already have alot of reasons to think mwiep is scum. Vote:Mwiep If he flips scum, I'm gonna start grilling logic... |
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logic340 said: you are repeating Kitty mafia again?? :cVote: Oyasumi_Rosei Purity and I protected you yesterday and this is how you repay us? Also that vote on me with little to no reasoning sucked. I need some fluff then I need your thoughts on who is a better lynch option than you at this time. I get stuck in the mountains for one night and you lose all faith in me. I believed u said I would reread and try and post a vote way way later tonight (if I don't pass out, I am in a lot of pain and very sleepy, and I have to take friends home >>;;) My vote on you was me trying to keep to my word about not voting newbies as will as an omgusfw :'3 |
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Floofs said: So I guess I'll try to ask some questions @Oyasumi_Rosie - In #108, you tell logic you don't know if you are scum, but you tell gruffin in #180 that you are not scum. Any reason for the inconsistency? Also, logic and corrupted vouched for you due to your "fluffiness", but I haven't seen much fluffiness yet, and I like to think I know a great deal about fluffiness XD You ask a silly question, you get a silly anwser. Logic should know better to except a useful answer from that. I am not scum. And sorry for that. I have been camping for the past four days and I had lost all cell service where I was. I will be sure to be the fluffiest ball of cotton you have ever seen once I am back home. ;p |
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liz said: Floofs said: So far, the only person I can find scummish is mwiep since he agreed with corrupted about liz but changed vote. I will wait for mweip's reply though Other than mwiep, is there anyone else who seems slightly sus to you? What do you think about Ruu's case on Abu? The only other scummish read I had was on corrupted and logic for defending rosie on day 1 without a legit reason. I don't know why experienced players on day 1 would feel the need to do this. I wouldn't think that this is a common thing to do in Mafia, but since this is my first game I don't really know. Maybe @Gruffin @coromandel could shed some light on this since they have played before. I still not sure on abu, but he does warrant some suspicion. While I don't like the fact that he acted like he was going to scum hunt and didn't, part of me feels this could due to being new player nervousness. |
| @liz Mhh I couldnt really play the game now since Im kinda sick atm.. Im just thinking of these I would suspect.... CorruptedPurity, Oyasumi_Rosie and logic340 kinda hazy for me now considering what he said on D1... But if I still alive till Day 3.. I will conduct another experiment.. kinda thing.. hehe logic340 said: @Eufie - What are you thoughts on the competing trains from D1? Where do you think scum may be hiding among them? How do you feel about Gruffin's case on Mwiep? @Mwiep - What do you think about Gruffin's case and vote against you? There are two ways that I like to defend myself in these situations: 1. Don't stop scum hunting and find a better option than yourself. 2. Defend yourself against the claims being made by your accuser. I think the best place for scum to hide is me.... :) @Soren ahh I see.. I have a feeling he might a Vanilla Townie hehe So gtg take a rest again and "hibernate" (y) hahaha about vote... Ill do later on :) |
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Floofs said: As stated D1 I decided to make Rosie off limits for to the fact she makes the have fun me XD liz said: Other than mwiep, is there anyone else who seems slightly sus to you? What do you think about Ruu's case on Abu? The only other scummish read I had was on corrupted and logic for defending rosie on day 1 without a legit reason. I don't know why experienced players on day 1 would feel the need to do this. I wouldn't think that this is a common thing to do in Mafia, but since this is my first game I don't really know. Maybe @Gruffin @coromandel could shed some light on this since they have played before. I still not sure on abu, but he does warrant some suspicion. While I don't like the fact that he acted like he was going to scum hunt and didn't, part of me feels this could due to being new player nervousness. All bets are off today though. My reason is because I destroyed the atmosphere (we lynched Rosie day 1) in a game. So it's note my policy regardless to keep her unless there's a spots case made. We're only two people if.you guys wanted Rosie lynched it could have happened. Now what does Purity and I protecting her mean for the three our alignment? Would scum band together so obviously and make it easy for town? Who's the most suspicious and why? Rosie for being protected Me and Purity for doing the protecting? |
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Gruffin said: liz said: Oh yep. It's called gambiting.Nope. That didnt occur to me tbh, but I don't see why townie would want to pretend to be another role? I personally don't recommend it since if you get caught lying you're probably going to get mislynched, but some players like to do it to get reactions. grrr would be disappointed in you... Sometimes vanilla townies (VT) soft claim a power role in hopes that mafia would kill them in order to save the actual power roles, fyi. Not me though, I'm selfish and prefer to stay in the game. |
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| Don't read me into protecting Rosie. It's kind of like an inside joke because if you play with her enough, she is very fun to play with especially at the end game where everyone is serious and she'll just pop in a joke to make everyone laugh for awhile. When she dies, the atmosphere of the game almost always turn dark and serious and frustrating for everyone. Now write up a nice paragraph for me like I did for you bae @Oyasumi_Rosie. |
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CorruptedPurity said: You should keep CP around because he makes me smile. Isn't that reason enough? :3cDon't read me into protecting Rosie. It's kind of like an inside joke because if you play with her enough, she is very fun to play with especially at the end game where everyone is serious and she'll just pop in a joke to make everyone laugh for awhile. When she dies, the atmosphere of the game almost always turn dark and serious and frustrating for everyone. Now write up a nice paragraph for me like I did for you bae @Oyasumi_Rosie. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: CorruptedPurity said: You should keep CP around because he makes me smile. Isn't that reason enough? :3cDon't read me into protecting Rosie. It's kind of like an inside joke because if you play with her enough, she is very fun to play with especially at the end game where everyone is serious and she'll just pop in a joke to make everyone laugh for awhile. When she dies, the atmosphere of the game almost always turn dark and serious and frustrating for everyone. Now write up a nice paragraph for me like I did for you bae @Oyasumi_Rosie. Aww... this is so heartwarming after a long day... Ily so much now... |
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CorruptedPurity said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: You should keep CP around because he makes me smile. Isn't that reason enough? :3c Aww... this is so heartwarming after a long day... Ily so much now... Your message we so much sweeter though. You always leave the best defenses for me. Ily2, hun. |
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Floofs said: It's...Not usually something that happens, but I can understand why they did it.The only other scummish read I had was on corrupted and logic for defending rosie on day 1 without a legit reason. I don't know why experienced players on day 1 would feel the need to do this. I wouldn't think that this is a common thing to do in Mafia, but since this is my first game I don't really know. Maybe @Gruffin @coromandel could shed some light on this since they have played before To give you the details, I co-hosted a game that ended about two weeks ago called Kitty Mafia which CP and Logic were both in. In this game, town last-minute lynched Rosie Day 1 (Spoiler: she was town) while she wasn't around. In the following Days, the game got pretty tense and a lot of players attributed this to Rosie's absence, because she played very carefree and was able to not take the game so seriously. If you want my take on it, I find it a silly reason to keep someone alive, but since there wasn't an argument against her for why she should be lynched, I can't really fault them for it. Could be scum defense or could be town carrying over feelings from other games, too hard to tell. I like what you're doing here though. It's good that you're questioning things that look out of place like this. I'd like to hear what you have to say on Ruu, because she's caught my attention with her push on AbuHumaid, what do you think the intention was behind her AbuHumaid case in post 572? |
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| So...Mwiep hasn’t checked in yet, Ruu hasn’t answered my question, people are still holding their votes for some reason...and tomorrow’s phase change. This game just won’t budge. Here’s a lynch list: Will Lynch: {Mwiep/Ruu/AbuHumaid} Need a case: {Coro/CP/Floofs/Rosie} Will Not Lynch: {Logic/Liz/Eufie/Yugure} I’ve already laid out my reasons for Mwiep and AbuHumaid, though I’m now more hesitant on lynching AbuHumaid than I am for lynching Ruu, who seemed to jump on and shade him. Coro/CP/Floofs/Rosie are all people I’ll need a convincing case on. Convince me why they’re scum and I’ll consider it. Logic/Liz/Eufie are all townreads, so no. Yugure’s probably going to be repped out or modkilled, so we can look elsewhere for today. |
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Gruffin said: So...Mwiep hasn’t checked in yet, Ruu hasn’t answered my question, people are still holding their votes for some reason...and tomorrow’s phase change. This game just won’t budge. Here’s a lynch list: Will Lynch: {Mwiep/Ruu/AbuHumaid} Need a case: {Coro/CP/Floofs/Rosie} Will Not Lynch: {Logic/Liz/Eufie/Yugure} I’ve already laid out my reasons for Mwiep and AbuHumaid, though I’m now more hesitant on lynching AbuHumaid than I am for lynching Ruu, who seemed to jump on and shade him. Coro/CP/Floofs/Rosie are all people I’ll need a convincing case on. Convince me why they’re scum and I’ll consider it. Logic/Liz/Eufie are all townreads, so no. Yugure’s probably going to be repped out or modkilled, so we can look elsewhere for today. How can you townread after his EoD? He was trying to force a no-lynch and when he cant, both he and mwiep quickly jumped the bmoore train together. Seems odd that he would so such a scummy move but maybe he's trying a "scum in plain sight" |
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| Current VC: Mwiep (3): Gruffin, Coro, CP, AbuHumaid (1): Ruu Rosie (1): Logic, Players Not Voting (7): AbuHumaid, Oyasumi_Rosie, liz, Eufie, Mwiep, Floofs, YugureShadowmore @AbuHumaid @Oyasumi_Rosie @liz @Eufie @Mwiep @Floofs @YugureShadowmore Who are you guys going to vote for? We're not going to accomplish anything by just sitting around. |
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CorruptedPurity said: I don't remember him trying to force a no-lynch? In 461 he literally waffles* on the idea and then he decides against it in 478 while a no lynch was still an option. Mwiep's jump w/out explanation or prior stances to back it up was shady, but Logic established that he a) Wanted a lynch to go through and b) That he was lynching Bmoore because out of the non-Logic options available, Bmoore had the better "case" against him.How can you townread after his EoD? He was trying to force a no-lynch and when he cant, both he and mwiep quickly jumped the bmoore train together. Seems odd that he would so such a scummy move but maybe he's trying a "scum in plain sight" So I really don't think that EoD was scummy of Logic, it's NAI at worst. *Waffle: Take both sides of an argument /Edit: Added waffle |
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Gruffin said: CorruptedPurity said: I don't remember him trying to force a no-lynch? In 461 he literally waffles* on the idea and then he decides against it in 478 while a no lynch was still an option. Mwiep's jump w/out explanation or prior stances to back it up was shady, but Logic established that he a) Wanted a lynch to go through and b) That he was lynching Bmoore because out of the non-Logic options available, Bmoore had the better "case" against him.How can you townread after his EoD? He was trying to force a no-lynch and when he cant, both he and mwiep quickly jumped the bmoore train together. Seems odd that he would so such a scummy move but maybe he's trying a "scum in plain sight" So I really don't think that EoD was scummy of Logic, it's NAI at worst. *Waffle: Take both sides of an argument /Edit: Added waffle Ummm...493??? Only after rosie broke the tie did he panic and quickly vote bmoore |
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CorruptedPurity said: That looks like a typo, lol. Otherwise it directly contradicts what he says about thinking that a lynch would be more beneficial for new players, and I don't think he would make such a blatant mistake.Ummm...493??? Only after rosie broke the tie did he panic and quickly vote bmoore In 500, he says "avoiding a no lunch" about a minute after Rosie posted her vote. I don't think he saw Rosie's vote until after he voted for Bmoore given the time frame. |
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CorruptedPurity said: I tried to force a no lynch? This sounds like you slinging mud at me more than anything Purity. I talked about no lynch and said I felt I wasn't the best option for us. I also wasn't going to let myself get lynched nor did I want an RVS train to cause the lynch so I went with Bmoore.Gruffin said: So...Mwiep hasn’t checked in yet, Ruu hasn’t answered my question, people are still holding their votes for some reason...and tomorrow’s phase change. This game just won’t budge. Here’s a lynch list: Will Lynch: {Mwiep/Ruu/AbuHumaid} Need a case: {Coro/CP/Floofs/Rosie} Will Not Lynch: {Logic/Liz/Eufie/Yugure} I’ve already laid out my reasons for Mwiep and AbuHumaid, though I’m now more hesitant on lynching AbuHumaid than I am for lynching Ruu, who seemed to jump on and shade him. Coro/CP/Floofs/Rosie are all people I’ll need a convincing case on. Convince me why they’re scum and I’ll consider it. Logic/Liz/Eufie are all townreads, so no. Yugure’s probably going to be repped out or modkilled, so we can look elsewhere for today. How can you townread after his EoD? He was trying to force a no-lynch and when he cant, both he and mwiep quickly jumped the bmoore train together. Seems odd that he would so such a scummy move but maybe he's trying a "scum in plain sight" I am acutally a little more curious why you didn't vote me after threatening to? At lease in Rosie's case she followed through with what she said she would do. Also was I supposed to let myself get lynched? What other option did I have other than forcing a tie? |
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CorruptedPurity said: #498 - Rosie votes Logic340 Posted at 4:57pm my timeGruffin said: I don't remember him trying to force a no-lynch? In 461 he literally waffles* on the idea and then he decides against it in 478 while a no lynch was still an option. Mwiep's jump w/out explanation or prior stances to back it up was shady, but Logic established that he a) Wanted a lynch to go through and b) That he was lynching Bmoore because out of the non-Logic options available, Bmoore had the better "case" against him. So I really don't think that EoD was scummy of Logic, it's NAI at worst. *Waffle: Take both sides of an argument /Edit: Added waffle Ummm...493??? Only after rosie broke the tie did he panic and quickly vote bmoore #500 - Logic votes Bmoore Posted at 4:58pm my time You say I panicked in less than a minute? Was so panicked I was able to come up with an actual reason for my vote as opposed to Rosie blank voting me? Where is this slander coming from all of a sudden when you been MIA pretty much the entire phase? |
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AbuHumaid said: I only know about Pre-flip association because a few veteran players have pulled me up on it. It creates a bit of confirmation bias (something else I struggle with) since you associate what the people do with one another. smh i got refuted badly by @logic340 it's fine tho, i even said i wasn't sure of my arguments. Lets say that Rosie flips town what do you think that would mean for my alignment? Lets say that Rosie flips Mafia what do you think that would mean for my alignment? As town we can look at my interaction with Rosie and see if I may have had information that I am not supposed to in regards of her alignments (calling into question my defense of her D1 is fine but no one made a case for me to really defend against). As Scum we can look at my interaction with her and see if maybe we were partners. We can also look at who she was suspicious of, who she voted, and who she wouldn't vote in an attempt to try and nail down the rest of the team. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Rosie I love the fluff and what it does for the game but we need to hear what you think. The new players are already at a loss and not getting anything alignment indicative from you is making it tough for me so I can only imagine what they are thinking. I kept you alive at the expense of being scum read for it so now I would really like you to put some effort into helping figure some things out with us please?Your message we so much sweeter though. You always leave the best defenses for me. Ily2, hun. |
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| VOTE : logic340 Reason.. RVS ^^ thank you.. |
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Eufie said: VOTE : logic340 Reason.. RVS ^^ thank you.. That's not how this works... |
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logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: #498 - Rosie votes Logic340 Posted at 4:57pm my timeUmmm...493??? Only after rosie broke the tie did he panic and quickly vote bmoore #500 - Logic votes Bmoore Posted at 4:58pm my time You say I panicked in less than a minute? Was so panicked I was able to come up with an actual reason for my vote as opposed to Rosie blank voting me? Where is this slander coming from all of a sudden when you been MIA pretty much the entire phase? Answering 2 posts in one cos quoting 2 on mobile is a pain. As stupid as it sounds, I fell asleep just before phase ended, it was 4.50am and I had no business being awake, that's why I didn't do my follow up vote. Next, you didn't refute or answer for 493 which was the very post which made me scumread you. I told you to not nolynch and you blatantly told me no to my face, I have every reason to think you're being suspicious after that. Lastly, it was during phase change, I would expect you to be posting and refreshing the post. The moment you saw yourself potentially getting lynch, you panicked and did a reverse hammer on bmoore. Don't tell me I've been mia majority of the phase. You're not doing much either and no one responded to my suspicion on you except maybe gruffin, liz and eufie, the latter two just barely touched it. The whole phase seemed like a ghost town and you blaming me for it isn't fair. I'm trying to push my leads but there isn't much to push off if everyone is more or less lurking. |
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| i have started my reread when I thought of something. The worst possible set up for town this game is if all the scum is newbies. I feel that we will let most of them off Scott free for their actions, even if we, the vetern players, would normal read that as a scum tell. I wonder if we should push harder to get more info out of players. That and the no kill last night. That is bugging me, I can think of two reasons why. 1) The scum team is all newbies unwilling to kill each other, or 2) One of the veteran players is their leader, and latched on to the idea that me and logic had. @Logic340 did anyone seem to dismiss the idea that we should try and keep new players alive? Also does anyone have an idea of what the % of old/new players is? |
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CorruptedPurity said: Eufie said: VOTE : logic340 Reason.. RVS ^^ thank you.. That's not how this works... So how is it supposed to work? |
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Pretty much RVS is only the first day, and only a couple of pages. Now you need to post. Or you can keep your vote the way it is, if you want to keep the reason for your vote hidden. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: i have started my reread when I thought of something. The worst possible set up for town this game is if all the scum is newbies. I feel that we will let most of them off Scott free for their actions, even if we, the vetern players, would normal read that as a scum tell. I wonder if we should push harder to get more info out of players. That and the no kill last night. That is bugging me, I can think of two reasons why. 1) The scum team is all newbies unwilling to kill each other, or 2) One of the veteran players is their leader, and latched on to the idea that me and logic had. @Logic340 did anyone seem to dismiss the idea that we should try and keep new players alive? Also does anyone have an idea of what the % of old/new players is? I think you could check on the 1st page on registration to do a little check.. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Pretty much RVS is only the first day, and only a couple of pages. Now you need to post. Or you can keep your vote the way it is, if you want to keep the reason for your vote hidden. Ok I will repost hehe |
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